Cliqueti, détonation, pinking, knocking, pré-allumage & auto-allumage Francais


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Carburants et moteurs: technologies, énergie, environnement, Volume 1

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These are two frequently mentioned to deter us from stealing the poor side events.
The detonation was more frightening than a pre-ignition then name than in reality detonation rarely gives damage and pre-ignition cylinder destroyed in seconds.



Detonation (castanet, knock, knocking)
It always occurs after the spark due to an increase in pressure and temperature.
The factors favoring detonation high compression ratio, high temperature air-fuel mixture, a spark advance too large and low octane.
It is accompanied by a peak pressure of very short duration in the combustion chamber, which is responsible for a high-pitched noise (knocking) that we had no chance to hear in our aircraft.
An engine detonates tends to heat, this overheating increasing the detonation.
We observe an increase in CHT in the case of detonation.
against by the detonation is accompanied by a discrete lower EGT (or no decline at all), which may be falsely reassuring.
The detonation is not necessarily destructive: the engines can click very long without being damaged

The pre-ignition (pre-ignition, pinking)
This is the combustion of the air-fuel before the spark plug.
This pre-ignition is caused by a spark-plug-heated or carbon deposits in the combustion chamber.
It occurs when the air-fuel mixture is the flame retardant, so low pressure, so in the early stages of compression, immediately before or after the PMB so about 180 ° BTDC ...
The result is easily understood: the piston then compresses a mass of hot gas expanding resulting in a tremendous increase in pressure and heat in the cylinder for a long time (180 ° of the compression phase).
Because of this long-term there is no explosion or abnormal noise in the engine.
But the damage is considerable quickly, usually a hole in the middle of the piston in a few revolutions.
The pre-ignition resulting in an increase in CHT and a drastic drop in EGT and internal destruction of a cylinder, piston, connecting rod in flight: it is therefore a situation of extreme urgency since the integrity of the engine is game

The conclusion
What destroys an engine that is pre-ignition, it occurs when hot spot inside a cylinder, usually a spark-plug damaged.<
Detonation is most often benign.
It can cause pre-ignition if it is liable for damage to a spark-plug tied to engine overheating.


Threshold of knocking

May 2008

A miracle happened using Klotz Hitrate Octane Booster


I was able to drive at 120 Mph at over 7000 rpm like in the 70's when "red" super leaded fuel was available
But the next day, total disappointment, given that it had been more than an hour since I opened the gallon, the active effect of the product had disappeared since it is extremely volatile and the engine detonation returned preventing me from going more than 105 Mph
To summarize, whether you leave the product in the gallon or in the tank, the product disappears after an hour

December 2012

After thirty years of experimentation with modern gasoline lead on T120R 750 without, I came to these findings.

Based on the difference in octane number of gasoline type.
More octane gasoline will be less high burn quickly and will put more spark advance to avoid the problem of detonation (knocking)
The regular unleaded gasoline burns faster than unleaded petrol.
I might add that the unleaded fuel burns faster than super leaded gasoline.

There is also the problem of pre-ignition (pinking) which is inversely proportional to the octane.
Pre-ignition is proportional to the increase in the compression ratio of a combustion chamber.

With unleaded gasoline modern, I believe it is better to reduce the ignition advance of our old British motorcycles at the time set for leaded gasoline that burned more slowly than unleaded gasoline modern.

The method of reducing the compression ratio of 8.5:1 low while keeping the 38° full-advance is as valid

I experienced the method of adding a thicker head gasket to lower compression ratio and detonation much less for the same spark advance.

Recently I gave the original gasket for my 9.5:1 Morgo kit and detonation climbed several notches even though I already drove 32° full-advance according to the curve of Pazon

I prefer the gasket under normal thickness to avoid burning the yoke in the middle.

Currently I'm looking in the field of detonation threshold for my current setup.

At 24° full-advance I do not perceive any detonation regime in all gears a Triumph Unit

I think the threshold is between 26-30°

In modern vehicles a new gadget was designed to counteract the nuisance of detonation.

Knock-sensor is the name and this gadget is connected to the electronic ignition of the vehicle to move ahead automatically in case of detonation.

Many American cars (Dodge Caliber) and German use a knock-sensor

Here a link that explains the principle of operation

http://www.bosch.com.au/content/language1/html/4563.htm

To be honest, 95% of the time I have suffered the inconvenience of detonation on T120R except the summer of 2011 while returning from Parent or motorcycle placed himself in pre-ignition due to excessive accumulation of carbon to the 2-stroke oil that I added in too large a proportion in the fuel tank.

Carbon overheated took precedence over the ignition and prevented me from rolling more than 110 Km/h

In fact, the pre-ignition is almost silent compared to detonation, but it greatly damped engine power and damage the engine.

I avoided forcing the engine to return to Quebec without getting towed.

It is certain that I will not force my chance to resettle piston 11.0:1 compression ratio as before.

For I fear that the decline in the ignition can not compensate for detonation with the addition of more pre-ignition

Photo of Morgo 9.5:1 and 11.0:1 Max Power
Two piston type that requires special preparation of the bike with the modern super unleaded gasoline



The diesel engines do not really use the pre-ignition for their operation, but it comes close.
Rather, it is the term auto-ignition of to remember for them.
The mixture will turn on by itself when the temperature of the compressed air reaches a specified degree of heat.
Sometimes a glow-plug is used to start its operation.

Any hot spot to the heating of carbon in one spot just trigger the problem pre-ignition which translate into low auto-ignition gasoline engines.

I experienced the phenomenon of auto-ignition with a Suzuki GT750 two three cylindes 1972 times.

After a few minutes of warming up, the engine placa auto-ignition turning at full speed of fashion.
I put the key to off, remove the spark plug caps, nothing to do, it was still running at full speed.
On landing vitement carburetors and gearing while modulating the engine with the clutch, I managed to stop it.
The reason for all hither, two-stroke oil low end does not correspond with the Suzuki standards

December 2014

During the summer, I added 8 oz of Torco per tank of gas and the rest of the detonation partially disappeared when driving at 28° full-advance, but not completely as I experienced in 2008 with the Klotz Hitrate